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Did Flight 93 Crash in Shanksville?

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Last updated:  08/23/2011

The Unusual Crater

 

Notice a shallow crater, un-burnt grass around the crater, and no recognizable plane debris.  (Photo source:  autolinkmn.com)

 

 

Do you see anything left of a Boeing 757?

(Photo source:  gfx.dagbladet.no/nyheter)

(Photo source:  americanhistory.si.edu)

FOX TV reporter interviewing Chris Konicki of FOX Philadelphia about the scene at Shanksville where United flight 93 has allegedly crashed.

FOX reporter: I want to get quickly to Chris Konicki; he's a photographer with the Pittsburgh affiliate of FOX affiliate. He was back there just a couple of minutes go and Chris, I've seen the pictures, it looks like there's nothing there except for a hole in the ground.
Chris Konicki: Ah, basically that's right. The only thing you can see from where we where, ah, was a big gouge in the earth and some broken trees. We could see some people working, walking around in the area, but from where we could see it, there wasn't much left.
Reporter: Any large pieces of debris at all?
Konicki: Na, there was nothing, nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there.
Reporter: Smoke? Fire?
Konicki: Nothing. It was absolutely quite. It was, uh, actually very quiet. Um, nothing going on down there. No smoke. No fire. Just a couple of people walking around. They looked like part of the NTSB crew walking around, looking at the pieces.
Reporter: How big would you say that hole was?
Konicki: From my estimates, I would guess it was probably about 20ft to 15ft long and probably 10ft wide.
Reporter: What could you see on the ground if anything other than dirt and ash and...
Konicki: You couldn't see anything. You could just see dirt, ash and people walking around, broken trees..." - FOX (09/11/01)

Flight 93 Passenger Said He Planned Action
"It was like an atomic bomb hit," said John Walsh, 72, who heard the crash and drove to the site while still in his bathrobe. "When I got there, the plane was obliterated. You couldn't see the cockpit or the wings or nothing." - wtae.com (09/12/01)

 

Compare to other plane crashes into the ground.

 
 

If the "soft ground" fell back in on itself and filled in the alleged deep hole that the burrowing Boeing 757 supposedly made, then how did all this debris manage to land on the surface of the crater?

(Photo source: uscourts.gov)

Memories of Flight 93 crash still fresh at 5-year anniversary
"Homes shook and the earth trembled as United Airlines Flight 93 roared out of the sky and slammed into the soft earth of a former strip mine near this small town on Sept. 11, 2001.
"My first thought was, where's the plane crash?" says Lt. Madigan, now 53. "All there was was a hole in the ground and a smoking debris pile."
The plane had burrowed into the soft, reclaimed earth of the former strip mine and crumpled like an accordion, he says.
Veteran FBI agent Michael Soohy had been to airplane crash scenes before, and he thought he knew what to expect: chaos, bodies, a hulking wreck of a jet.
"I don't think anyone expected to see what they didn't see," said the 50-year-old who grew up near Johnstown. "It's almost like a dart hitting a pile of flour. ... The plane went in, and the stuff back-filled right over it." - post-gazette.com (09/03/06)
Flight 93 Passenger Said He Planned Action
"Several people were able to make calls from the plane before the Boeing 757 slammed into a grassy field about 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh. Rescue crews who reached the scene shortly after 10 a.m. found a deep V-shaped gouge filled with smoldering rubble." - wtae.com (09/12/01)
 
 
 

 

 

Flight 93 was said to have crashed with 5,500 gallons of jet fuel still on board.  What happened to the remaining thousands of gallons of jet fuel and why isn't there a huge fire around the crater when the first witnesses arrived shortly after the crash and why was there never a thick black smoke plume trailing high up in the sky like you'd expect to see from such a deadly plane crash and why is there only one small fire truck at the crash scene with little or no firefighting efforts going on?

Emergency workers mark off the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 near Somerset, Pa., Tuesday, Sept. 11,2001. (Source:  pittsburghlive.com)

Photos of plane crashes soon after crash

Jet Crash at Danang, Vietnam.  (Source)

(Photo source:  loc.gov)

Fire truck is behind the SUV.  (Photo source:  pittsburghlive.com)

"Figure 7 shows fuel flow and fuel remaining for UAL Flight 93, calculated in the same way as just described for AAL Flight 77.

Based on ACARS transmissions to the airplane, the fuel load on takeoff was 48,700 lb. This results in about 37,500 lb. [17.01 tons, 5,500 gal*]  of fuel remaining upon impact (the end of the DFDR data)." -NTSB (02/13/02)  *One pound of jet fuel = 6.84 pounds per gallon.


"The Boeing 757 still heavily laden with jet fuel slammed at about 575 mph almost straight down into a rolling patch of grassy land that had long ago been strip-mined for coal." - Washington Post (05/12/02)


"We (were) literally surrounded by debris, and there's a very strong odor of scorched earth," Parsons reported. "It doesn't smell like jet fuel, it smells like ... How do you describe it? Burned earth. It smells like burned earth." - Pittsburgh Channel (09/11/01)


"The soil is being tested for jet fuel, and at least three test wells have been sunk to monitor groundwater, since three nearby homes are served by wells, Betsy Mallison, a state Department of Environmental Protection spokeswoman, said.
So far, no contamination has been discovered, she said." - postgazette.com (10/03/01)


Environmental Restoration Begins At Somerset Site, Residents Concerned About Well Water

"Three groundwater monitoring wells show no evidence of groundwater contamination and nearly 6,000 cubic yards of dirt sifted for human remains and aircraft debris will soon be returned to the crater left Sept. 11 by United Airlines Flight 93.

Environmental Resources Management of Wexford, Pa., will fill in the crater caused by the crash, which was dug 50 feet deep by recovery workers.

Betsy Mallison, a spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection, said that investigators still don't know how much jet fuel was spilled at the crash site. But whether it burned away or evaporated, much of it seems to have dissipated, Mallison said." -The Pittsburgh Channel (10/02/01)

 

 

 

 

Is the smoke plume in Val McClatchey's "End of Serenity" photo from Flight 93 crashing, from an ordnance blast originating at a different location, or is her photo a fake?

Smoke plume supposedly from Flight 93 crashing.  Notice the plume rises straight up into the air which suggests no wind in the area. (Source:  FEMA)

Photo comparing the Shanksville plume to an ordnance blast plume. (Source:  9/11 Unsolved)

Smoke plume from a plane crashing.

Ordnance blast in Iraq.

Ordnance blast in Afghanistan.

Crash of a small leer jet. (Source:  signonsandiego.com)

(See the smoke from real plane crashes here.  See all versions of Mrs. McClatchey's photo here.)

See also:  Val McClatchey Photo: More Smoking Guns, or Total Fraud? - flight93photo.blogspot.com

 
 

 

 

Why did none of the tall dry grass growing right up against the rim of the crater get burned and why was some of the dirt inside the crater free of charring and soot from the explosion?

Notice that it looks like some of the grass is still growing inside the crater (lower middle of pic).  (Click photo for hi-res.  Photo source:  loc.gov)

Notice the dirt on the left side is not charred from an explosion/fire even though it looks like it's inside the crater. 

(Click photo for hi-res.  Photo source:  epa.gov)

 
 

 

 

 

How did the inside of the crater get burned and a section of forest next to the crater that's not in the same trajectory line as Flight 93 allegedly came in get burned, but the area between the crater and this forest section did not and is it just a coincidence that most/all of the debris ejected out of the plane when it crashed landed in the adjacent forest which would have been an easier and more concealable place to plant evidence in than in the open field around the crater?

Yellow arrow added to show fireball and debris path. (Map source:  popularmechanics.com)

Red line = plane outline

Orange dotted line = service road

Green dotted line = fire damage

 

Google satellite map location

The service road on the left is between the burnt forest section and the crater.  (Watch aerial video.  Still from:  thewebfairy.com)

 

See also:   Faked Shanksville crater and the burnt forest section - Killtown.blogspot.com

 

 

 

 

Does the forest look less damaged on 9/11 than it does on the next day and why haven't we seen any video aerials taken of the damaged forest section seen on photo aerials taken after 9/11?

(Click photo for enlarged.  Photo source:  WTAE. Red dotted oval = fake crater. Blue dotted line = alleged flight path. Orange dotted line = small road)

(Red dotted oval = fake crater. Blue dotted line = alleged flight path. Orange dotted line = small road. Green dotted line = forest damage)

Day of Terror: Outside tiny Shanksville, a fourth deadly stroke
"Yesterday, the priority of the FBI and state troopers was to protect the scene.
Gov. Tom Ridge arrived about 6:15 p.m., flying over the crash scene in a National Guard helicopter before being briefed on the ground by state police." - Post-gazette.com (09/12/01)

"An FBI aerial photograph taken Sept. 12, 2001, shows the crash site of hijacked United Airlines Flight 93 in Shanksville, Pa." - usinfo.state.gov

See also:   Shanksville forest mostly burned after 9/11? - killtown.blogspot.com

 

 

 

Is it just a coincidence that this crash in which supposedly an entire 155ft plane burrowed itself underground, happened on land composed of "soft dirt" from a abandoned strip-mine that was recently backfilled which gives a "reasonably" excuse as to why a large plane was able to disappear underground and why would they only bring small backhoes to dig this huge plane out?

Town embraces role it never sought
The strip mine is composed of very soft black soil, and searchers said much of the wreckage was found buried 20 to 25 feet below the large crater. " -Standard-Times (09/11/02)


The day that changed America

"Dave Fox did go out to Skyline Drive, to the old strip mine, abandoned in 1996.
The plane pitched, then rolled, belly up. It hit nose-first, like a lawn dart. It disintegrated, digging more than 30 feet into the earth, which was spongy from the old mine work." -Pittsburgh Live (09/11/02)


Small town shoulders a nation's grief

"The point of impact is near the end of a pockmarked little lane, in a shallow basin next to a pond at the edge of a stand of pine trees charred by the initial blast.

The site had been mined for coal, then refilled with dirt. It was still soft when Flight 93 crashed, and firefighters said the Boeing 757 tunneled right in. They had to dig 15 feet to find it." -St. Petersburg Times (09/10/03)


Flight 93 crash site touted as memorial to victims

"Until last week, it was a few remote acres that, like a lot of this part of Somerset County, had been farmed, strip-mined, back-filled and planted over with grass." - Post-Gazette.com (09/20/01)


"I've just come across an interesting new bit of information which relates to this, in a book about the Flight 93 crash called From Tragedy to Triumph by David McCall. The author quotes Mike Shepley, who worked for a company that operated next to the site of the crash. Shepley says: "The area in which the plane hit had just been backfilled." (p. 38)" - From "Shoestring" @ Loose Change Forum


(Photo source:  epa.gov; mirrored at:  usaattacked.com)

 

Compare to other plane crashes into the ground.

 

 

 

 

What happened to the large tail section from Flight 93 after it apparently only left a faint impression in the grass compared to the deep impressions its wings supposedly made?  Was it found in the woods as only one young witness seems to described?  If so, why haven't we seen a photo of it?

(Photo link: local, physics911.ca.  More aerial photos.)

UA 757 (Original:  airliners.net)

See also:  Hoodwinked at Shanksville:  Fairy Tail

Scene of utter destruction

“The tail was a short distance from the rest of the wreckage said would-be rescuer Brad Reiman, 19, who lives near Berlin in Somerset County. “It looked like the plane hit once and flopped down into the woods.”
The largest piece of wreckage he could identify looked like a section of the plane’s tail, he said." - pittsburghlive.com (09/12/01)

 

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